Just developed a leak in the equipment department (sort of).. In between the two large pumps, there is a small white fiberglass area that bumps out and the left pump has its air cooling duct leading in, and the right pump has its discharge running through here. The water seeps out (actually runs out) under the little black duct on the left side, tried "leak seal" with no success. Pulled the left pump out and there is a puddle in there, does anyone know if the leak is actually in there, it is very hard to see, or can it be seeping from anywhere else in the tub and finding this as the lowest level. Any ideas or experience from anyone would be appreciated.

Sounds like you may be in trouble. Are you in an area that the tub could freeze and do you run it year round? If it is coming out of that area then there is probably something broken close by in the plumbing. Those black tubes are the air intake for the jet pumps...if water is coming out there then it usually means that the foam has absorbed a lot of water and it is just leaking out there because it is the lowest area for the water to escape.

I am in an area where it could freeze, but all the lines were blown out like they are every year, and it was empty and covered all winter. It ran for a weak before the leak started, it started slow (about 1/2 inch per day), then got much worse, about 2". I then put in the Leak Seal and it got better, couldn't even see it running out of the same spot, completely dry, and then after another day, started slowly again in the same spot? It is almost impossible to see in there, how do trace the leak itself when you can't see it? Any more suggestions would be great.

Could be a lot of things.

1. Water sometimes seeps through the cover and into the drain line where it could freeze and break things.

2. I have fixed a lot of tubs that have been winterized, and mice have gotten into the foam and eaten plunbing lines. For some reason they like to eat the air lines to the seat with the bank of ten precision jets (I've seen this happen about 15 times.)

3. Check the light lens area for leaks

4. COuld be the moto-massage jet. There is a nipple that is prone to leaking in certain years, and the 3/4" line leading to the moto-massage is prone to leaking in certain other years.

5.There is also an air-intake valve that could leak in certain years.

What year is the tub?

If the leak is not in the motor compartment then it is very difficult to find.

I believe the tub is a 2001, the serial number is SQ2C1317, does that sound correct? I called my local Hot Springs dealer today, and they told me to use "phenol red" to try to isolate the leak, that is what they do. I put it in the tub around the light after my discussion with them to see if it would "suck" it out of the leak... didn't do anything. I also checked in the moto massage area, as I forgot to mention that this leak seemed to start right after I replaced that jet, and I blew compressed air through the barb that the little blue silicone tube connects to when the moto massage wouldn't work before I replaced it.. Could this be an area to concentrate? Any further info/suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Forgot to mention that I am in Eastern PA, near Philadelphia, where we had another very mild winter..Although, still winter...

I just fixed an '01 Landmark and '01 jetsetter that had leaks at the moto-massage. The glue joints were bad where the moto-massage screws through the wall of the tub. If it is in that area you can pull off a few of the boards and check it out.

2001 tubs did have the air intake valves that leaked as well. They are located in the motor compartment, even though the water would leak out in the front right corner (outside the tub). It may be black or white and it has two 3/4" lines and a small 1/8" bleed line coming out of it. It is in the upper right side of the motor compartment. There is a retro-fitted replacement part if you have one of the originals. The retro-fit is called a Hartford Loop.

The process of elimination continues, the tub after re-filling was blowing tiny air bubbles, around the perimeter of the dream jet pillow. The area between the plastic part that slides up and down and the shell, not the black bladder itself. The leak has also stopped as soon as the water level dropped below this plastic/shell joint. Can this be di assembled from the top? And has anyone ever seen this?

OK Dan, thanks for the input, the dreamjet was not it, I got the foam out and there is a 3/4" hole in behind the Moto Massage that water is just pouring out of. Can this just be sealed or is there something that belongs in this hole? Thanks for all of the input.

That sounds like the actual line that provides water to the moto-massage. The difficulty of the repair depends on where it is actually broken.

The way the moto-massage jet is manufactured, the 3/4" PVC elbow is a slip fitting that is glued onto the back of the moto-massage compartment. The nipple that the elbow is glued onto is actually formed as part of the molded plastic wall of the compartment. If that nipple is broken off, then you need to get pretty creative in the repair. It is pretty hard to describe what to do.

In the past, I have grinded the broken nipple off flush. Then through the hole in the tub, used a 3/4" slip by 3/4" male threaded fitting. I put the male threaded end through the wall and connected it on the inside of the tub with a 3/4" female threaded coupling (female threaded on both sides). The moto-massage jet then can thread into the other end of the 3/4" female coupling. Back on the outside, you will need to cut the broken line back some, then glue in a section of 3/4" flex PVC with a coupling.

The biggest problem is that I had to modify the couplings somewhat to achieve the same length in the moto-massage compartment. If it is too long then the moto-massage arm will hit the faceplate and will not go up and down.

Then I used Devcon epoxy (the stuff HotSpring sells is excellent) to seal the fitting that protrudes through the wall.

It is actually the air line, the water line is intact and flowing normal, the hole was actually smaller than 3/4. It was just an open hole, should there be a barb or something connecting an airline to this? Bigger problem is I can't even find any line that should be connected to this? I have dug a foot in every direction and there is nothing that isn't connected to something else already. Any idea where the airline is supposed to come from or where I could get a hold of a schematic? for air? Thanks for the help

Any chance you could take a picture? I thought an '01 had two 3/4" elbows going into the bottom of the moto-massage compartment. One was water, the other air. The older ones had a 1/8" nipple that could break off, but the line would be right there with it. Not really sure what you are describing. I can look at and send a plumbing diagram tomorrow if I have time at the store.

Ok, here is the pic, as you can see, I stuffed putty in there to stop the water temporarily until I figure out what to connect to it, and on the left, still partially covered in insulation is the 3/4" water line to the moto jet itself. Let me know if youneed more pictures or any other information. Thanks again!

Hi guys,

I think my 2005 HS Envoy has a similar problem. I have a slow leak, about 2-3 inches per week, in the corner near the Moto Massage. I drained the tub, removed the face plate from the Moto Masage then unscrewed the air line fitting (3/4 inch plastic nipple to 3/8 inch tubing). Looking at the threaded fitting in the wall, I can see a PVC elblow for the air line that curves upward. The bottom of the elbow has a crack about 1/2 inch long. As a test, I temporarily plugged the air line nipple and reassembled with an o-ring (the neoprene line in the Moto is unattached for now). I'm filling the tub now to see if it still leaks.

My theory is that the PVC elbow for the air line fills with water when the pumps and Moto are off. I didn't see anything that looked like a drain in the elbow so it was probably filled with water over the winter. When I drained the tub last fall, I was careful to clear the water lines with a shop-vac and fill with non-toxic anti-freeze. At the time, I didn't think that an air-line would be filled with water.

Is this a common problem?

Ed

Dan, thanks for all of the feedback. It actually turned out to be the air line for the moto massage, I drilled out all of the remaining mess, and then threaded a 1/2" npt nylon barb through, which I in turn threaded the id of it t ofit a 1/4" barb to connect the airline inside the tub, all seems to be working well, took two attempts for a perfect seal. I am now running the tub for a couble of weeks to make sure it doesn't leak at all before I refoam it and put the last three pieces of siding back on.