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hot spring heater keeps tripping

Hi. I've got a 2002 Hot Spring prodigy with a heater that fails to stay on. The heater is a No fail 6000. It appears that the small circ pump is working as I can feel it running and the hoses are also buzzing slightly like water is moving. There are no blinking lights to indicate any other error. With the circuit board cover off, the red light for heater on is on when I first turn on the breakers. After a few minute there is a click and the heater on light turns off. I checked the water temp in the spa after a few minutes of running and then measured the thermistor resistance levels, they appear to be slightly above what I think they should be for the ttemp. But as the temp might actuall be different in the tubes they might be close enough?

temp - 89-90
inlet thermistor - ~9.7 Kohm
outlet thermistor - ~8.9 Kohm

Could one of te thermistors be the problem? Any way to bypass or jumper them for testing? Or is there some other problem such as too low a flow? Thanks in advance for helping.

Posted by on 2007-10-27 12:18:18. (11311)

The two things you need to check are:

1. Have you tried resetting the thermal cut-off button? It is located under the 2 lines entering/exiting the heater. It is a small red button and is somewhat concealed under some tape that can be removed. Try pushing it in with a screw driver or something.

2. If that doesn't work then you need to meter-out the heater to see if it is bad.

Make that 3 things...also can check voltage to the heater relay to make sure it is putting out the proper voltage.

Posted by on 2007-11-01 09:30:46. Eastern CT (11359)

The thermistors should only be a tenth or two different in ohms. Secondly, take a close look at the board which the heater wires plug into. Look around the relays and the green colored board, is it burnt?

Posted by on 2007-11-01 18:08:12. connecticut (11370)

<<<1>>> I've tried the heater reset button and it makes no difference. I changed out the thermistors and that also made no difference. <<<2. If that doesn't work then you need to meter-out the heater to see if it is bad. >>> What should the heater meter at? <<>> I didn't notice a label for which relay is which, I'll check it. Can the relays be replaced without replacing the entire board? Thanks, Ken

Posted by on 2007-11-03 14:52:24. (11390)

I can't remembar the exact reading but the heater should give a value like 9.7 or 12.2 ohms or something like that.

The relay to check voltage is the one that the heater wires attach to. If it's bad then you would need to replace that whole left side heater relay board.

Posted by on 2007-11-03 15:09:00. Eastern CT (11391)

Dan,

I checked the voltage at the terminals for the heater and have 246 there while the "heater on" light on the main board is on. After a couple of minutes there's a click and the "heater on" light goes out and the voltage to the heater goes to zero.

I metered the heater and got about 9.8 ohms, so that sounds like it is in the ballpark.

There seems to be flow thru the heater and the silent flow pump is running. If I pull the hose off the outlet there is a pretty good stream of water.

Any other ideas?

Posted by on 2007-11-03 17:43:41. (11395)

Check circ pump flow where it returns to the tub at the fitting that doubles as the drain grille.

The pump can be "running" while not flowing. Be sure your filters are clean as well.

Posted by on 2007-11-03 23:02:19. SW Florida (11400)

summer timer is engaged, turn it off.

Posted by on 2007-11-04 21:48:23. connecticut (11423)

Don't think the heater keeps running for two minutes if summer timer is engaged. The circ pump does, but pretty sure the heater doesn't.

Posted by on 2007-11-05 18:43:33. SW Florida (11437)

Thanks to all for the replies. I've checked the filters and also tried it briefly without them in place...the heater still trips after a minute or two. There seems to be flow at the drain. As I hadn't really noticed the flow rate before, I have no idea if it is normaly or not. SHouldn't I get some error indication if it trips the heater due to low flow?

I've verified it is not in summer mode.

I've replaced both thermistors as they appeared to be very slightly out of spec. This made no difference. There are no blinking lights or other indicators that something has tripped, other than the heater on light on the main board going out.

As an experiment I bypassed the heater realy board and ran power directly to the heater. The tub seemed to warm up normally.

Any ideas? Is there a way to trouble shoot the ciruit boards? (without just buying & substitution?)

Thanks,

Ken

Posted by on 2007-11-25 13:58:11. (11704)

You've done most all the troubleshooting I can think of. Sounds like a new IQ2020 box is needed. Sure there is no "SUN" icon on the upper right side where the temperature reads?

Posted by on 2007-11-26 21:34:16. connecticut (11743)

This is going to sound weird, but if the spa is equipped with an auxiliary control, unplug it.

It looks like a phone cord, and plugs into the IQ2020. One of the symptoms of failure will cause the spa not to heat.

If that doesn't fix it, flip a coin, could either be the IQ2020 or control head.

If it gets to that point, personally, I'd try plugging a new control head before replacing the IQ2020. Just much quicker, and no time loss if it's not the problem. You'll only burn a few minutes replacing the IQ2020, but if it turn out to be the control head, well, those are lost minutes.

Posted by on 2007-11-26 22:16:34. SW Florida (11746)
might have found a solution

i own a 1999 landmark w/the iq2000 board
my hottub started tripping off after attaining the target temp (104*) for about 2 days, starting last year. We had the HotSprings tech guy come out late Sept this year to trouble shoot it, along with reading up on it on this board. He determined the control head board was defective, along with the ozinator being dead. He replaced both and left.
The problem I now had was the tub would not heat for more than 10 minutes without the heater tripping off. The problem was worse!
Well the next step was replacing the thermosisters, which did not work. The next step was to replace the circulation pump, which also did not cure the problem.
We then (we thought) isolated it to the thermodisc high temp limit switch that sits on top of the nofault heater, which is reset manually with the little red button. We replaced it, which again did not solve the problem. We even removed the thermodisc switch and shorted the connection, but the heater kept tripping off.
pretty frustrating.
I finally got ahold of a "senior" tech man, who said that some of the new style ozinators are emitting a RF signal that interferes with the main circuit board and causes the heater to trip offline!
I unplugged the ozinator, and viola!, the tub heated for a few hours and now is at 104* and operating normally.
The tech said to wrap the ozinator in aluminum foil to kill the RF signal, but I think I'll have them replace the one in the tub under warranty.

hope this helps.

Posted by on 2007-12-05 20:58:25. (11917)
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